Bitcoin Takeover Podcast
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S15 E9
Kevin Loaec on Liana Wallet, Miniscript & Hardware Wallets
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00:00 Intro & Wizardsardine name lore
02:00 What Liana is: timelocks, backups, inheritance
04:30 Company treasuries & relaxing multisig
06:00 Cosigner cascades, Unchained, Casa, layer-one scripting
07:00 Lightning, fees & why Liana stays on L1
08:20 Ordinals, filters, Luke Jr & permissionlessness
12:00 Soft forks, miner majorities & node power
16:40 Full RBF year, inscription drama & word games
19:40 Sovereign rollups, BitVM & collateral damage from filters
22:40 Blockstream funding vs broader developer funding
24:20 Kevin’s “just use Bitcoin” fee tweet
28:50 Inscriptions, Ethereum narratives & immutability branding
31:30 Miniscript origin story via Revault
33:30 Hardware wallet Miniscript adoption timeline
35:00 Why Miniscript beats hand-rolled Script
39:00 Breaking Bitcoin, BTC Azores & Chatham House rules
44:00 Conference economics & toxic maximalist t-shirt drama
45:40 Dracula Bitcoin Romania pitch
50:15 Supra Cycle vs Toyota Supra
55:30 Ledger: hardware praise, Live & Recover critique
1:00:50 Keep the device, ditch Ledger Live; Jade affordability
1:02:20 Trezor Safe 3, Tropic Square & secure elements
1:05:30 ATECC designs, side channels & BIP39 passphrases
1:08:30 Passphrase UX: Trezor T, Ledger, BitBox
1:10:00 Airgaps, Coldcard, cables & bigger screens for descriptors
1:14:40 Why try Liana; Bitcoin Core requirement; device support
1:17:40 Electrum vs Miniscript; where to follow Kevin
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