Bitcoin Takeover Podcast
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Josh Swihart on Zcash & ZODL
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01:14 Intro: Josh Swihart returns after 20 months
02:02 “Zcash is in a class of its own”: self-defeating but evolving
03:02 Shielded note Q&A: Chewbacca on the Orchard pool run
04:05 Josh: people must make their own decisions with their money
05:22 What is the Orchard pool? Sprout, Sapling & the Hornby vulnerability
06:48 Why Zcash on a Bitcoin podcast: Zerocoin, Zerocash & trusted setups
09:06 The comeback: from Binance delisting threat & $30 to near top 10
11:03 Killing the 2-of-2 governance & the dev fund’s perverse incentives
12:25 Refocusing ECC: opinionated UX & the first 100 happy users
14:01 Zashi (now Zodl), Keystone support & NEAR Intents swaps
15:01 Shielded pool growth: from 11% to 30%+ of circulating ZEC
15:54 Sean Bowe’s scaling roadmap & the macro case for privacy
16:32 Cake Wallet’s Zcash integration & Vik Sharma’s recognition
17:57 Peace among privacy coins & the Monero community FUD
19:35 “Not cypherpunk enough”? The Samourai vs. Wasabi lesson
21:17 Josh: “cypherpunk means criminal” is ridiculous
23:04 Railgun’s gated pool vs. Zcash neutrality & fungibility
24:34 zemaps.com, Flexa & spending shielded ZEC at Chipotle
26:45 Josh bought a Ford F-150 with Zcash (and overpaid)
27:33 Giveaway announcement: guess Josh’s number, win 0.1 ZEC
28:13 Sponsors: Sideshift, Cake Wallet, Orange Rock & LayerTwo Labs
30:40 “Zcash is lied about a TON” — why?
31:49 Stablecoins are outsourced CBDCs
33:11 Tyler Spalding, Flexa & the David Duchovny ad
34:03 Anonymity set misconceptions & the accumulator explained
36:25 “Who’s paying Hayes, Silbert & the Winklevoss twins?”
37:30 The multi-coin world & buying a bike with shielded ZEC
39:15 Samson Mow & the maxis celebrating the Orchard bug
40:40 The ethics of bug discovery & the 2018 Bitcoin precedent
42:03 Josh on Taylor Hornby’s character & how exploitation gets proven
43:57 The Sprout inflation bug & coins lost in legacy pools
45:03 Security budget & Shielded Labs’ sustainability mechanism
46:56 Tachyon scaling: recursion, light clients & off-chain services
49:26 Are shielded memo notes bloating the chain?
51:32 Private stablecoins on Zcash: ZSA, freeze functions & no consensus
57:22 ZSA as a bear-market identity crisis
58:31 New user question: where’s the privacy when I spend?
1:01:02 Shielded vs. transparent transactions explained
1:03:10 The giveaway: the number is 23
1:05:20 Two winners split the 0.1 ZEC
1:06:39 Crypto debit cards: admitting we lost the battle?
1:08:19 Josh: a means to an end, not the end goal
1:10:04 Bitcoin’s capture & the fear of harmless upgrades
1:11:14 Zcash bridges mainstream finance & privacy
1:12:07 Satoshi’s chapter 10 on privacy: naive but hopeful
1:13:38 Josh: ban it or co-opt it — how Bitcoin got captured
1:15:20 What prevents Zcash from being co-opted?
1:17:32 The Winklevoss twins, the Cypherpunk DAT & Grayscale
1:19:02 Building systems that are hard to co-opt
1:20:00 Killing the Zcash trademark agreement
1:21:31 Governance pluralism: ZF, Shielded Labs, Tachyon & Valor Group
1:23:21 Do exchanges & mining pools fund Zcash dev?
1:23:41 Deprecating zcashd & moving to zebrad
1:25:30 Why ZODL left ECC: Naval’s tweet & the Balaji story
1:27:36 “Less than a year’s runway” & the Bootstrap board conflict
1:28:40 Forking the company in under a week
1:29:17 ZODL’s business model: 50 basis points on swaps
1:30:01 Keystone hardware wallets & the BTCTKVR promo code
1:30:57 Foundation’s Passport & its open-source app store
1:32:09 Trezor Safe 7 & the truth about Trezor’s Zcash support
1:33:59 Slush discovered Bitcoin via Zooko’s Tahoe-LAFS email
1:35:37 Zcash ASICs sold out: Summer Meng & the Bitmain backlog
1:36:23 Home mining dreams & the double-click Zebra node
1:38:32 The role of ECC going forward: it’s being wound down
1:40:05 Rejecting dev fund money & the lockbox grants system
1:42:38 ZNS: the Zcash Naming Service & address reuse
1:44:33 Vlad’s lost election & the conspiracy theories
1:44:47 “Zionist coin” FUD & the Gemini volume reality check
1:46:24 Why disclose the bug publicly? Is honesty worth the price?
1:48:03 Coordinating the fix: mining pools & responsible disclosure
1:49:52 The 2013 Bitcoin hard fork parallel & Vitalik’s criticism
1:51:12 “Zcash feels like Bitcoin in 2013”
1:51:49 Ironwood (July, formally verified) & Tachyon timelines
1:53:31 Thanks to 1,000+ live viewers
1:53:49 The Zcash dance with Josh Swihart
1:54:36 Outro: follow @jswihart & ZODL
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