Bitcoin Takeover Podcast
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S17 E23
Hunter Beast & Mark Karpelès on Bitcoin's Quantum Upgrade
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00:00 Intro music & stream warm-up
01:12 Live from the LayerTwo Labs booth in Las Vegas
01:28 Sponsors: Braiins, LayerTwo Labs, Orange Rock, Sideshift, Cake
02:27 The 1 ZEC thank-you gift from Cake Wallet
02:41 From Marathon to CTO of Surmount Systems
03:24 Cursed to live in interesting times
04:31 Nick Carter, institutions & the quantum FUD trade
05:26 How urgent is the quantum upgrade, really?
06:45 Beware the opaque “quantum wallet” grift
08:10 There’s a BIP for that: wallets need BIPs too
09:05 Core, Knots, Libre Relay: testing every flavor
10:01 Seed round & full speed ahead June 1st
12:42 What is Surmount Systems beyond BIP 360?
13:37 BIP 54: the Great Consensus Cleanup
13:50 Why Hunter supports BIP 110
14:10 NSA & PLA: quantum is a nation-state technology
15:37 Mark Karpeles walks into the interview
16:36 Mt. Gox repayments: mostly done, Russia stuck
17:05 Lessons from Mt. Gox: transparency & prehistoric tech
18:05 The uncomfortable truth about xpubs & quantum
20:34 Hash-based signatures kill watch-only wallets
21:35 ED25519, Solana TSS & key derivation pain
23:05 One address per customer without server keys
24:09 Taproot’s exposed keys & the 100k BTC cold wallet
25:24 Two proposals: Hunter’s vs Jameson Lopp’s
25:52 Mark’s case for freezing Satoshi’s coins
26:51 Hunter’s counter: the private property promise
27:55 Glass v2: throttle P2PK, don’t freeze it
29:07 One coin per block: 32 years to drain
29:38 Mark’s alternative: an ECDSA phase-out timeline
30:32 Five years: too long or way too short?
31:13 7M exposed coins, 2.66M dormant
32:32 Mempool snipers & broken keys
32:59 Long exposure vs short exposure attacks
33:45 Quantum computers you can buy at home
34:03 Snowden & the Penetrating Hard Targets program
34:57 NIST, kleptography & Daniel J. Bernstein
35:09 The 2027 ECC ban vs the strategic Bitcoin reserve
36:03 The NSA drug money joke & playing it safe
37:14 Will Ethereum & Solana make it in time?
38:03 Solana’s BigTable & 10x signature sizes
38:58 Why a Solana block explorer needs a huge budget
39:52 Smart contracts with unchangeable key permissions
41:36 Good enough now beats perfect in three years
42:18 Don’t couple PQC with unrelated upgrades
43:30 BIP 54 + BIP 360: the uncontroversial package
44:37 Block size increase? Try everything else first
44:58 BitZip: STARK aggregation & 80 TPS
46:14 MASF, UASF & safe activation thresholds
48:15 Ordinals doesn’t scale: a contributor’s confession
48:58 Has Bitcoin already separated money from state?
49:50 Bitcoin gave me hope; Jesus saved my life
50:38 The Ecash fork & the Mt. Gox trustee’s duties
53:33 Claiming Ecash & tragic boating accidents
54:17 Mark’s real reason for Vegas: Magic the Gathering
54:58 Exodia, Digimon & Turing-complete Magic cards
57:40 Tibane: a wallet with no seed phrase
58:42 The restaurant napkin problem
59:12 Why BIP 39 fails in a camera-everywhere future
1:00:13 Hammering 24 words into steel washers
1:01:01 tbon.net, app stores & the Tibane launch
1:01:14 Named after the Mt. Gox cat
1:01:32 Cat census: five, four & one
1:02:01 Losing every match & loving it
1:02:32 First time in the US: the immigration story
1:03:16 Tokyo, fluent Japanese & a tour guide offer
1:04:04 Wrap up & thanks
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