That's a good idea to go in a more web-publishing CMS type direction like Drupal. That's a better fit and can produce a better looking website than a wiki. I think I was wrong about wiki. Only a few specific people will do any website design work and those people can go ahead and have a separate login. In that case, login integration with the forum doesn't matter much. For security, I'd almost rather have a different login than be constantly checking the forum with the same login that could pwn the website. Drupal's forum is less bad than the wikis, but still a long way from something I would want to use. zetaboards pros and cons: pros: - we don't have to worry about bandwidth - they handle the backend management and security patches con: - lack of SSL - lack of privacy, everything is logged - lack of control over the php code for customization - no CAPTCHA, and if they add one later it might be unacceptable flash - ads (could pay to get rid of them later if we care enough) - there's always the risk they abruptly cancel the site for some petty reason mmalmi@cc.hut.fi wrote: